Shoot a Thief!

[Counts 2]

I hate the fact that it looks like they are going to press charges against the fella that deposited a 45 round in a car thiefs spine ending his sorry life.

[Counts 2]

A driver left his pickup truck running late Tuesday when he went inside a gas station to pay for his gas. The truck proved to be a temptation that led to a fatal shooting.

It happened at a BP station on Grand Boulevard near Interstate 44 shortly after 11:30 p.m..

What police can say for sure is that the driver left his pickup running. Beyond that, the police account is sketchy, other than to note that the driver of another car at the station died of a gunshot wound.

But KTVI-TV reports that a passenger in the car saw the truck idling, got out of the car, jumped into the truck and drove away. The car followed, with a woman and a baby sitting beside the driver in the front seat.

KTVI says the truck owner saw his vehicle being taken. He ran out of the station and fired at the car following the truck, hitting the driver. With a block or so, the car struck a parked vehicle.

Police were unable to say this morning whether the truck had been recovered, or whether charges were being sought. The truck is described as a red Dodge Dakota.

[Warmouth]

Shooting the person not stealing your car is still illegal.

[JimDog]

I am all in favor of being able to protect your property with a gun. But this knucklehead did two things wrong. As Warmouth pointed out, he shot the wrong guy - a big no-no. The second thing was to leave his truck idling while he went inside the gas station in the area of Grand and 44. If I am in that area, and need to run into a gas station real quick, I shut off the motor, lock the doors, and keep my eye on it the whole time I am in there.

Sorry, but this guy deserves everything he gets.

[Counts 2]

I agree that the guy should not leave his car running ever. But I also don't feel real sorry for the guy following the stolen car either. The fact is that even if he shot the guy driving his truck he would be charged. In my opinion except for the baby, they were all stealing that truck.

[Big John]

4. A private person acting on his or her own account may use physical
force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to
the extent that he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to
effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person whom
he or she reasonably believes to have committed an offense and who in
fact has committed such offense; and may use deadly physical force for
such purpose when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to:
(a) Defend himself, herself or a third person from what he or she
reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical
force; or


(b) Effect the arrest of a person who has committed murder,
manslaughter in the first degree, robbery, forcible rape or forcible
criminal sexual act and who is in immediate flight therefrom.

[Tigerhaze]

I think DFS needs to remove the child from the mother's custody, considering she is already involving her infant in violent felonies.

[Outdoorsfool]

Counts has a point. Not sure about auto theft, but accessory to murder I believe carries the same penalty as murder.

I will defend my property from all low lifes that attempt to acquire my property without proper consideration and compensation. I just have to get my story worked out before the cops arrive.

A dead thief is one less dirtbag to be stealing people's chit.

[LadyAngler]

What if they are stealing your son or God forbid the Cockwagon?

[hunting170]

MOCraig said:"You took that, it's mine, you die"

MOCraig, I honestly don`t have a problem with ridding the world of people that think like that. Anyone that thinks they can just steal someone elses property, simply because they want it, is a menace to society. I, for one, have no use for people that think this way.

[hunting170]

MOCraig said:I have no use for thiefs, either, but don't believe I could personally live with myself for taking someone's life over a piece of property. I suspect I'm not alone, although it's probably not "cool" to state this.

That`s because you only pretend to be a killa. For some of us, myself, PS, TTTN, WM, it`s in our blood. (I included Dave in this list because any animal that enters his yard is dead meat)

[Outdoorsfool]

I certainly would not have opened fire on a crowded street over a stolen vehicle. However, I also don't think the dude should be prosecuted for shooting the accomplice. There's a concept in the law that basically says you take your victims as you find them. In other words, if you try to grab a purse from a little old lady and she falls down, breaks her hip and dies from complications you can be prosecuted for murder. I think the same concept should apply for armed victims....if you choose to break the law and happen upon an armed person and get shot...that's your own fornicating fault. If the dude hadn't been trying to help steal the car he wouldn't have been shot. Oh and I also agree with TH and that baby should be taken away permanently.
I am not going to shoot some low life because they stole a soda. On the other hand, I don't have a problem shooting some dirtbag that feels they can break into my house and rip me off, even if their intent is not to harm anyone. You have your limits and I have mine. I will reasonably defend myself and my property and sleep just fine that night knowing one less POS is on the streets. They claim certain drugs are "gateway" drugs. I believe petty crimes are "gateway" crimes. Killing a thief might possibly be ridding the world of a future murderer.

Craig - How would you feel if some POS stole your cockwagon, you had the opportunity to stop them but didn't and speeding away they ran over some kid and killed them? What if they decided you were such an easy mark they came back a week later to steal more chit, but found people home and someone in your family ended up injured, or worse?

[Warmouth]

I didn't kill a hen turkey over the weekend that has adopted our new backyard. So, I must be slipping. Cats and groundhogs are fugged though.

Also I think there are varying degrees of whether it is worth it to shoot a criminal. Kidnapping, definite yes, no brainer. A guy runing away with a TV...I'm not so sure.

Also, the shooting a guy in the back thing is not very honorable in my opinion. If he's in the house, and you don't really know what he's capable of, then its not worth finding out just how bad his intentions are. It depends on the individual, and if you think it is OK to kill someone over a couple hundred dollars of property. You may be legal to do so, but is it worth it to you?

Over a truck, I'd probably shoot first, but you can't shoot the guy not stealing your truck and expect to be thanked by the cops and bystanders.

Also, I am of the opinion that if you have to shoot at a person for any reason, just put them down. You don't want two stories floating around, and if they don't need to be killed, then you shouldn't be shooting. Winging them is also just for the movies.

[Showme]

I say this with great reservation, but, I agree with Mo on this one.

If dude was coming out of the said convenience store and someone was trying to steal his truck and there was a confrontation and the dude feared for his life - then busta cap in his chest.

But, how can you be in fear of your life when the guy who stole your truck is driving away from you and there is no immediate danger to you?

Also, I think the child has been removed from the Mother's custody Thaze, she is dead! But, how are you going to prove the woman is an accomplice? She is dead. You can't say she was an accomplice because nobod knows. Maybe here and the guy who stole it had just got in a fight and he jumped out of the car and into the other truck and took off. She was following him to try and get him to stop and listen to her bithc at him some more?

I am all about protecting what is yours, and if that means someone comes into my home and I fear for my or my families life then I wack someone. If I am out and about and there is no way to get out of a confrontation that again would make me fear for my or my families life, I am throwin lead...but if it isn't a point where there is fear for my or my families life - I aint even gonna break leather, cause once you do, you better have made the decision to fire at will.

I still think Mocraig is a windowlicking pompus knuckledragger by the way!

[hunting170]

If I catch someone in my home, they won`t be given a chance to come back a second time.