“Reezen” to purchase a “Monster” masher…

[TobyfromMO]

Looks like MOC has done it again…70# Omen on order through Crackers.

Delivery yet to be finalized...none the less delivered to him with Cracker’s custom strings and tuning with the addition of a BowTurbo…yes a BowTurbo.

After close deliberation with PSE, BowTurbo and Crackers their combined estimations on speed will be upwards of a possible 390fps IBO. BTW…this is a hunt ready estimation not bare string.

Everything is being delivered directly to Crackers for installation and his final touches…delivered to MOC ready to hunt.

[Warmouth]

What the heck is a bow turbo?

Also, is this going to get him more doe kills over his other bow?

[Limbshot]

That is pretty amazing speed to say the least. The Omen looks to be a blistering shooter, but a 5 1/2 inch brace height? Holy crap, you had better be a rock in your shooting form. I am sure it shoots well, as the X-force is a great bow.

Question about the bow turbo. Did he talk to PSE about his warranty? Seems a lot of guys are concerned about the amount of stress that the bowturbo will add to the limbs and that it appears it will void most warranties. Plus if he is shooting a bow that is already rated for 360+fps and he is taking it to crackers which will gain him extra fps, why in the world would he even need the bowturbo? I guess now he will have a cockwagon and a cockbow. Will definitely be the fastest I have heard of!!! I will be very interested to see if his precious slick tricks still fly well at that speed!!!

Here you go WM:
http://www.bowturbo.com

[TobyfromMO]

Also, is this going to get him more doe kills over his other bow?

Uuuuhhh…yeah…Dave. Maybe 1 or 2 more than you. Oh wait; you don’t hunt rather just talk about it.

LS…As it stands PSE “VERBALLY” stated the Turbo will not void warrantee. As long as the integrity of the bow itself, or factory components, are not physically compromised with the installation all is good. To me…this obviously means they understand the simplicity of the device and the fact it can simply be removed without them knowing…regardless of failure or its root cause. I’ll believe the verbal statement when I see it writing…though it appears PSE is actually supporting the effort. From the way I see it…why fight it. PSE obviously recognizes the market demand for a speed bow…this tool only makes the fastest faster…even further out of reach of the rest. Bowtech & Mathews will likely fight it and they will remain in their place…sucking hind tit. As I hear…Hoyt & PSE has approached Bernard attempting to arrange the Turbo as a factory "selectable" option…guess we’ll see.


Just think...next year there will be a PSE Omen in this photo. BTW...you should see the deer that made this rub...awesome.

[TobyfromMO]

That is pretty amazing speed to say the least. The Omen looks to be a blistering shooter, but a 5 1/2 inch brace height? Holy crap, you had better be a rock in your shooting form. I am sure it shoots well, as the X-force is a great bow.

Question about the bow turbo. Did he talk to PSE about his warranty? Seems a lot of guys are concerned about the amount of stress that the bowturbo will add to the limbs and that it appears it will void most warranties. Plus if he is shooting a bow that is already rated for 360+fps and he is taking it to crackers which will gain him extra fps, why in the world would he even need the bowturbo? I guess now he will have a cockwagon and a cockbow. Will definitely be the fastest I have heard of!!! I will be very interested to see if his precious slick tricks still fly well at that speed!!!

Here you go WM:
http://www.bowturbo.com

LS…some additional info from PSE…via BowTurbo. PSE had 25 reps in the BowTurbo booth. PSE’s lead engineer brought the Omen to the booth. A 30”, 60# Omen went from 366fps to 381 with an arrow nearly 20gr. over IBO. PSE engineer…estimated 400fps could be attained on 30” 70# with some super tuning. The engineer explained that as long the riser, cable slide or other factory component was not drilled/tapped for installation the existing warrantee stands. They took a ton of orders from PSE directly and we’ll likely see the Turbo on the Rep demo models. They said every PSE rep ordered one for their personal bows as well.

My Turbo should will deliver next week…I was #2 on the order list.

[Limbshot]

That sounds pretty good. I think it would be a good diea for a manufacturer to go ahead and add them to their bows if it will gain FPS. I think a lot of guys will shoot them on bows with langer braces heights to gain the extra FPS, and why not? PSE definitely took a leap in front of everybody with speed on that bow for sure. I bet there will be a lot of guys on the 3-D ranges this year shooting the Omen so as to decrease the importance of distance estimation, but again, with a 5 1/2 inch brace, I am not sure how many of them will shoot it well enough to do well with it. Man, it is hard to imagine 390 fps. That is scarey fast. My prediction is that Craig will try and quite possibly be successful at taking 2 deer with one shot next year!

I may look into the bowturbo for my Darton. I currently shoot a 430 grain total arrow weight ACC (my hunting arrows) at 277 FPS with a bow setup at 60#s at a 28 inch draw. If I get down to a 5 grains per pound arrow with the bow turbo, I think I could well into the 300s.

That is a pretty impressive increase in speed. What do they run pricewise?

[hunting170]

He`s still going to put his eye out.

FYI...a guy on archerytalk claims to be shooting an Iron Mace, I think High Country makes it, with those super light weight Speed Pro arrows at 400 fps.

This BowTurbo may set the archery world on its collective ear. I can`t wait to hear how this animal flings an arrow.

[Warmouth]

So is the bow turbo just a cable guard with a slicker bearing?


I was also wondering why Craig didn't just jump on a HC bow and shoot 200grn arrows, if he is trying to shoot the fastest fps that he can put together.

[Limbshot]

Yes, High Country makes the Iron Mace. It is a super speed bow as well.

I think this bowturbo device is a pretty amazing concept. It could easily take a long ATA bow that shoots in the low 300's and get it in the 330FPS range. That is pretty interesting. If I could gain 25 FPS like their one video, I could be launching my hunting arrows at 300fps at 28 inches and 60 pounds. That is crazy!!!

[hunting170]

$80 freakin for a cable slide on steroids. I don`t think so. Speed never was that important to me.

[Limbshot]

Yeah, I am not sure I need one that badly...yet.

[TobyfromMO]

So is the bow turbo just a cable guard with a slicker bearing?


I was also wondering why Craig didn't just jump on a HC bow and shoot 200grn arrows, if he is trying to shoot the fastest fps that he can put together.

Neither Craig nor I are worried about being the fastest...not to mention 350-390 doesn’t even come close to being the fastest. Yes fast adds flexibility to yardage estimation as LS stated above. However...now include your thoughts on energy that goes with that speed...with a 350gr arrow not a 200gr arrow.

390fps is a single pin to 50yds and 120 ft-lb’s. from a 350gr arrow. 400fps from a 200gr arrow is about 70 ft.lbs.

BTW...the BowTurbo is locked down. It doesn't slide. Similar to Bowtech, Mathews and HCA roller guard. However, when added to a bow not designed for a stationary cable slide it adds preload to the limbs when drawn by not allowing rearward travel of the cables...essentially reduces cable length, preloading as you draw. The concept has been around since the dawn of time...i.e. you can tie your cables in place by looping a shoe string around the riser...same thing...or use a hose clamp on the cable slide...anything...the Turbo has some design and finish qualities. Straight out of Mathews play book...take an old concept and make it better. Forgot to mention...roller guards eliminate cable oscillation thus makes the bow quieter.

[TobyfromMO]

Yes, High Country makes the Iron Mace. It is a super speed bow as well.

I think this bowturbo device is a pretty amazing concept. It could easily take a long ATA bow that shoots in the low 300's and get it in the 330FPS range. That is pretty interesting. If I could gain 25 FPS like their one video, I could be launching my hunting arrows at 300fps at 28 inches and 60 pounds. That is crazy!!!

HCA now has a faster bow than the Iron Mace...I think they call it the Speed Pro. FastPassThrough...the designer...is shooting his at 426fps with Speed Pro arrows. The fastest speed I've read on AT...if I recall correctly...was 469 fps.

[TobyfromMO]

$80 freakin for a cable slide on steroids. I don`t think so. Speed never was that important to me.

Suckers...I only paid $60 shipped to the house.

[Warmouth]

Since its all about power and not speed, can I ask what you or Craig is ever going to shoot with a bow, that needs to be hit with over 100ftlbs of energy?


BTW- You'd be shooting 500+grn arrows if you wanted energy over speed, but I'm going to go ahead and pretend to believe your answer.