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IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 11th, 2005, 10:45 pm
by Keith@AimLow
Thursday, February 10, 2005
By Deborah Gertz Husar
Herald-Whig Staff Writer

PITTSFIELD, Ill. ? Proposed state legislation could clear the way for more growth in the deer hunting industry.

House Bill 1161, introduced Tuesday by Rep. Lisa Dugan, D-Kankakee, adds language to the state wildlife code prohibiting the Illinois Department of Natural Resources from limiting "the number of resident or non-resident archery deer hunting permits."

Supporters say the proposal is the latest step in a long-standing effort to remove the cap on non-resident permits as a way to spur economic growth in Pike, Adams and surrounding counties.

The cap has been in place since the 2002 archery season and is set at 15,000.

"This is what we have been brought to by DNR. By them not taking their own action getting rid of the cap, we felt compelled to seek legislation," Pike County Farm Bureau Manager Blake Roderick said.

He expects similar legislation to be introduced in the state Senate.
"This is absolutely a positive step," said Judy Smith, who coordinates the Pittsfield-based Access Illinois Outdoors program. "I'd like to see them remove the cap and see what kind of difference it makes and study the results."
Access Illinois Outdoors matches landowners with resident and non-resident land users for hunting and other recreational opportunities.

The archery deer industry provides an estimated payroll in excess of $1 million for 60 full-time equivalent jobs and $15 million to $20 million in cash receipts in Pike County alone, Roderick said. Those figures do not include appreciation and asset value in the county.

"We're looking at half a billion just in Pike County, easily $400 million, and what's happening here is happening in the surrounding area ? definitely Scott, Greene, Jersey, Calhoun, Adams and Brown counties," Roderick said.
"This is definitely an economic engine, and I think an important point to make is the government has spent not one dime in creating this. What we're asking for legislatively is for government to get out of the way and let the market grow."

Jerry Gille, president of United Bowhunters of Illinois, said that growth often comes at the expense of hunting access for residents, especially in Adams, Brown and Pike counties.

The key is providing residents with a place to hunt, not capping the number of non-resident hunters.

"Limiting hunting in any form is not a decision we take lightly, but when you look at a regional or statewide basis, we had to put the cap in place to give residents more of an opportunity for hunting," Gille said.

"With the budget concerns at the state level, the current administration has not been interested or capable of doing anything to improve access for resident hunters. If you couple that with entire removal of the cap, things are going to get pretty crowded pretty fast.

"Obviously UBI opposes removing the cap without putting provisions in place before that for improving access for residents."

The bill likely will be assigned to the House Agriculture and Conservation Committee, with all sides having a chance to testify at a public hearing. No date has been set for a hearing, but "there is a sense to get this moving, get the cap off and improve the ability of landowners and outfitters to meet the demand," said Kevin Semlow, director of state legislation for Illinois Farm Bureau.

IFB policy calls for removing the permit cap. That spurred Semlow to work with Dugan, who represents portions of Will, Kankakee and Iroquois counties.
DNR spokesman Joe Bauer said the department is reviewing the bill and also working on a new deer hunting proposal for this year.

Questions about the cap's future and the new DNR rules are unsettling for landowners along with resident and non-resident hunters.

"I'm getting lots of calls from non-residents as well as landowners wanting to know what is going to happen with non-resident licenses so they can go ahead and plan for the hunting season," Smith said. "It's very important to the little guy with 200 acres who pays his taxes from non-resident and resident hunters every year."

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 9:42 am
by PoisonSnake
Well, the way I see this is certainly positive. This capping of available permits does absolutely nothing with respect to local hunters and their hunting opportunities. If the local hunters want to be pissed to high heaven, they should be pissed at the local farmers for selling out to the outfitters. But, you sure cannot blame the farmers for doing so. Also, these outfitters can only take in so many people. So, the system should self-regulate for the most part. This will certainly be a bonus for all of the goofballs that opt to go bowfishing the exact day that non-resident tags go on sale.

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 10:13 am
by Warmouth
You don't think that there will be excessive hunting pressure? I would think with unlimited out of state tags that lease prices are going to sky-rocket, Outfitters will be packing in a hunter on every stand every day of the season that they can, and with the added pressure the quality/age of the bucks will diminish.

I don't hunt there so it won't affect me, but if I was an IL resident I would be pissed.

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 10:36 am
by PoisonSnake
Well, I think it should self-regulate. I mean, they can only take in so many hunters. But, we will see. You might be right. Oh, and you can bet the locals are gonna be pissed for sure. But, like I said, they should be pissed at the farmers who have leased their land.

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 10:50 am
by Warmouth
I'm just saying, on some properties it could look like public hunting land, with the ammount of hunters some outfitters will be packing in. After you're there and provided a place to hunt, all you could do is femaledog about the ammount of other hunters. I'm afraid this leaves the door open for scammers willing to take money to put a guy on some crappy land.

How soon before the deer go nocturnal when there are guys in every stand on the property almost every day of the season?

Over all, the hunting won't be as good imo. I'm sure there will be a lot of good outfitters doing the job right, but at what cost, when there are unlimited tags?

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 11:00 am
by PoisonSnake
Dave: I see your point and that would be my first thought as well. I am only speaking for the place that I hunted over there and they were pretty well adamant about how and where a particular group hunted. I can see some outfitters taking advantage of this, but if they want to run a good business, I don't think they will opt to do such things. PS

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 11:24 am
by Warmouth
It is up to the hunter that books the hunt to get references and such, buyer beware. I don't have a dog in this fight, I just hate the idea of a guy planning a trip, laying out the cash, and not getting a fair hunt.

I hope it works out O.K.

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 11:50 am
by Keith@AimLow
PoisonSnake said:
This will certainly be a bonus for all of the goofballs that opt to go bowfishing the exact day that non-resident tags go on sale.
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Dave-t,

I agree with PS. Private farms and public land will not see any more pressure than they have. The increase in outfitters taking over private property is what has caused the higher demand for non-res permits. The outfitters will not over hunt their properties knowing that this will hurt their reputation and recommendations. Most outfitter rely on referrals and repeat business from past customers. I honestly don't think the average hunter, resident or non-resident will even notice the effects of the cap elimination.

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 12:49 pm
by 2BHNTN
Sure glad to hear this. Image

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 2:16 pm
by Bloodtrail
A couple of things to keep in mind: 1. It did not mention tag prices, I feel strongly that we will see them increase again significantly ($400+), and 2. I think that outfitters will push the limits with regard to overhunting their leases. If they can show a few 150+ bucks taken every year they will continue to promote heavily and attract new hunters who in the big picture, probably won't be 100% satisfied.
I think there is no doubt the tags will be raised again, and will somewhat regulate the #'s. I personally would like to see unlimited tags at the same price and an additional outfitters tag ($200) if you book with outfitters, then use this money for public land purchases. BT

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 2:21 pm
by PoisonSnake
BT: I'll cut you a deal here. I'll buy your tag for you if you give me 9 days on your IL lease beginning the Thursday before our rifle season. This deal is a win/win for everyone. PS

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 3:01 pm
by Bloodtrail
Do I still get to hunt during those 9 days, or do you want it all to yourself?

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 3:08 pm
by PoisonSnake
Yeah, you get to go too. You can't stick me out in no-mans land though.

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 3:40 pm
by Bloodtrail
Hey, the biggest ones are always killed by the guy who didn't leave camp. I'll let you stay in my camper and let you hunt anywhere you want as long as your 300 yards from camp.

Re: IL Non-Res update

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 4:26 pm
by PoisonSnake
Image ImageWill you let me gut, skin, and quarter your big buck as well? This is sounding real good right about now.