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Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 30th, 2006, 4:50 pm
by hunting170
A friend of mine got these pictures on his trail cam last week. Anyone care to guess when their momma might have gotten bred?

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Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 1:37 am
by PoisonSnake
That looks to be about the size of a September fawn. I'd say about 7 months back from January so I'm guessing in April/May.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 2:00 am
by Warmouth
That makes no sense 170. I think he's pulling your leg. Bucks can't breed without their Image.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 2:08 am
by Rafe Hollister
Those aren't fawn spots this late. Some strange piebald patterning.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 2:13 am
by PoisonSnake
I read an interesting article a few years back. It stated that the rut could continue for as long as 8 months beginning in September. Interesting read.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 2:45 am
by Warmouth
I'd always heard that dropping testosterone lead to antler drop, which then left the buck without any sex drive. Once the Image are gone, the will to breed is gone, from what info I've read.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 3:03 am
by PoisonSnake
Dave: A buck may keep his Image up and into April. I saw one last year that had both sides on April 12. Then again, I have seen them with significant regrowth as early as May 1. You saw one just the other day that had some growth beginning. I feel it safe to say that there is no one way in which nature works things out.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 4:20 am
by Clark
And such is the Great Circle of Life

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 4:27 am
by Warmouth
I have a hard time believing that a fawn born in Nov can make it through the winter, but who knows?

PS in spring of '04 I still saw bucks with racks in early April, and in spring '05 I saw racks being started in early April. This spring on March 23rd was the earliest I've ever seen velvet growing. So I can't really explain the timing of all of that, and if it's based on the end of rutting activity, longer daylight, weather conditions, food etc.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 6:45 am
by Outdoorsfool
It isn't like this winter was a typical Missouri winter.
I'd always heard that dropping testosterone lead to antler drop...

Dave - how does the Wise buck play into this theory? Supposedly that buck had his sack ripped off/severed bad enough that the lack of testosterone is what caused the Image to remain in velvet....or something like that.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 7:00 am
by Warmouth
Cactus bucks, as they are called, grow Image that never harden or shed velvet. That buck would never shed his rack, or be able to successfully breed.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 7:43 am
by Showme
hunting170 said:
...Anyone care to guess when their momma might have gotten bred?...

Ummmmmm......my guess would have been right in the beardedclam. Image Image Image

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 7:46 am
by hobiecat
damm, I was gonna say in the woods.

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 8:16 am
by hunting170
I said WHEN, not WHERE, you knuckleforks. Image

Re: Late Season Breeding

Posted: March 31st, 2006, 8:19 am
by hobiecat
Oh yeah right... so then, I guess it was when he stuck her in the beardedclam when they was out in the woods.